unpopular fannish opinions. again.
Feb. 2nd, 2005 11:08 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
wisdomeagleI'm having so much fun reading these unpopular fannish opinions that I felt the urge to have some of my very own. I might have gone overboard just a bit. There are 12 unpopular Angel opinions, 10 unpopular Buffy opinions, 10 unpopular general Jossverse opinions, and 20 popular opinions, just for kicks.
[spoilers through NFA]
Angel
1. I like Fred and think that, despite the fact that she was never the focal point even of her own arc, she was a well-crafted, interesting, beautiful character and I love her. A lot. So there.
2. I think Wes's feelings for Fred are at least half based on his own ideals about what love and romance should be, that they could probably never be happy together because both come with so much baggage and because their relationship is so tainted with so many issues, and that, despite that, there is a kernel of rightness in their relationship, of attraction and friendship and love and desire, that transcends all the horrible dren that's associated with their relationship. In other words, yes, shameless Wes/Fred shipper.
3. I didn't think I would ever like Angel/Cordelia, was vaguely squicked and confused by the idea of it, and will say endlessly and forever that they are Just Friends. Until S3. And then Joss sold me on their love hook, line, and sinker. I think their love for each other is far more mature than Angel's love for Buffy ever was, that they are a pair of friends who've made a life together, who have compatible personalities, and who love each other deeply. I think their mystical connection as Seer and Hero is beautiful (I think the same of Angel/Doyle, of course, and Giles/Buffy and various other pairings) and love the way it slowly bloomed into romance. I loved Offspring-Provider. Squeed my way through. Or, in other words, yes, shameless Angel/Cordy shipper too.
4. I think Gunn and Fred truly loved each other and were cute together. I'm not sad that their ship ended, because I don't think it ever really could have lasted, but in another time or another place, it could have. I'm sad that the 'ship was mishandled and treated just as a means to break Wesley, as was Fred's entire arc.
5. I think Cordelia was still controlling the body until "Spin the Bottle," when she started to act weirdly but wasn't quite sure why. I vaguely suspect it wasn't till she was impregnated that the post-hypnotic suggestion really started kicking in, but I think Cordelia was still aware of herself as a concious agent at least part of the time until around "Calvary." I quite like the idea, not mine, that a large part of pod!Cordy's personality comes from Cordelia's idea of what a villain should be rather than from Jasmine.
6. I dislike both the evil!Cordy arc and the Illyria arc, despite adoring evil characters, because both Cordy and Fred were robbed of their agency. The arcs revolve around the other characters reacting to the evil entities posessing the bodies, not the characters' own inner darkness or the way they deal with the evil within. I think the Cordy arc can be redeemed by retconning, but the Illyria arc was just a poor choice, despite showing off AA's acting ability.
7. I think Joss should have left incarnation theology well enough alone given that he's a practicing athiest, but I respect that it's his story to tell, and given his distrust of organized religion, the Jasmine-arc isn't all bad.
8. I like Fred better than Illyria. I like Illyria too, but think Its arc was poorly handled and a bad choice given the givens (they had to move all their plotlines up a notch after the cancellation.) I like Illyria in![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-community.gif)
ats_nolimits better than canon Illyria becasue she/It is incredibly intelligent and emotionally autistic, a character type I like quite a bit.
9. I think Connor should have died at the end of S4 and that pulling their punch becasue they really liked VK and felt sory for the character was damned poor story-telling. Of course, had Connor actually died by Angel's hand, and mindwipe hadn't happened, S5 would be the darkest season ever. I don't really have a problem with that. I liked "Origin" a lot but wished Connor hadn't shown up in "Not Fade Away." I thought the ambiguity of "Origin" was good and that Connor in NFA didn't particularly serve a purpose.
10. I don't really care enough about Gunn to think that horrible things happened to his character at any point in canon.
11. I liked Lorne. Also Harmony.
12. They didn't die. They didn't survive. They're all still huddled in the alley, cold and wet and grieving Wesley, prepared to do the job they have to. World without end, in Joss's name, amen.
Buffy: the Vampire Slayer
1. S7 had some huge flaws in it, but I liked it anyhow.
2. S6 is one of my favorite seasons and I see no big flaws except of course the magic=crack one.
3. I don't give a damn about Spike except I miss the snark. I have absolutely no opinion on the attempted rape in "Seeing Red."
4. I like Tara an awful lot and while she might not be the most compelling character, she's beautiful and lovely and shy and so much like me that, despite knowing I shouldn't, I take it personally when people dislike her. Tara is the character who's most real to me because she is me. And I love her. While I can understand why people think the Willow/Tara relationship was poorly handled, I'm also a die-hard Willow/Tara shipper and I believe in their love. It might not have sizzled, but it was beautiful.
5. I thought Adam could've been interesting, but wasn't. (Probably not all that unpopular, except for the benefit of the doubt part.)
6. I think Xander/Anya was one of the best handled, most realistic relationships on the show. I don't think it was all about sex. I think that they, unlike 90% of the other characters, actually had a healthy attitude towards sex. Both of them enjoyed it and they had lots of it, but I don't think that was the sum of their relationship, and I don't think their arc was ended. Anya's death was a travesty. Killing someone because you need the approrpiate level of tragedy in your show's ending is not cool.
7. I loved the show a lot more before I got into fandom. But I can forgive the fen, because I'm learning a lot in fandom about how to think about media and art. Still, I miss being able to watch stuff uncritically. This is technically an opinion about fandom in general and not Buffy in particular but oh well.
8. I don't think I'm a particularly insensative or stupid person, but I didn't see Xander's treatment of Anya as abusive. I rather dread rewatching S6 for fear I'll see it and not love Xander anymore. I loved Xander so much when I first saw S6, far more than I loved Willow, and Willow is my emotional constant in the show.
9. I think Joyce was the First in "Convos."
10. I don't care whether or not Spike and Buffy had sex in "Chosen." I wanted to see more of the D+D.
General Jossverse:
1. I like Marti Noxon and Joss Whedon rather a lot. I like what I've seen of Joss Whedon's public persona. I think RPS/RPF isn't any less moral than saying that Marti Noxon a) is a whore b) needs therapy c) is emotionally unstable or that Joss Whedon a) has a deep-seated fear of women b) has issues with sex so large we need a book to explicate all of them or c) is a vicious sexist whose feminist persona is a big fat lie. We don't like personal attacks on fellow fans; why are they okay against TPTB? Especially since they wrote the frelling show for us. Also, I think Joss especially and the rest of the writers as well are artists.
2. Faith's entire arc moved too fast. I can understand it on further viewing and deep reflection, but on the shows, it moved too fast from bad girl to evil girl to redemption. Way too fast, way too much off-screen. That said, I think a Faith series could be good. And I'd watch, of course.
3. I'm a multi-shipper and proud. I like Wes/Lilah, Wes/Angel, and Wes/Fred, all for different reasons. And I like Willow/Oz, Willow/Tara, Willow/Giles, and Willow/Xander, all for very different reasons.
4. On a related note, I see everyone in Jossverse canon as bisexual, with a few possible exceptions that I can't think of at the moment.
5. I don't think Spike/Angel is all that interesting a pairing. I see the subtext, certainly, but it doesn't compel me the way other pairings do. I don't think that Spike's feelings for Angel (of love, hatred, envy, whatever) are as strong as many people seem to think. Angel has never been the center of Spike's universe: that was first Dru and then Buffy. They've certainly fucked at least once -- possibly several times -- but I don't think it was a defining relationship for either of them.
6. I think Angel is a more ambitious show that was occasionally brilliant and often a brilliant failure. Buffy was less ambitious and a more consistently solid show. And I enjoy watching Buffy more because it doesn't make me want to kill myself.
7. I would have preferred a full season of Firefly to S7 of Buffy, but only if they ran with the Kaylee/Inara subtext.
8. I wish they'd explored the ramifications of the mindwipe and of Dawn more articulately than they did, which might have redeemed both arcs in my mind.
9. I think the shows function better when there is a clear symbolic or metaphorical structure underlying the supernatural elements. This is because, oddly enough given what I do with most of my time, I'm not a genre person and don't especially enjoy sci-fi or fantasy. This is another reason I like Buffy as a show better: the demons are clearly articulated metaphors for the struggle of growing up. It's hokey, but it works, and it resonates with me on a level that demon pregnancy, evil law firms, and super secret circles of dark-colored plant barbs don't.
10. Cordelia and Angel aren't siblings. Cordelia and Wesley aren't siblings. Willow and Xander aren't siblings, and the word incest does not. Apply.
And just for kicks, twenty popular fannish opinions.
Angel
1. Connor/Cordelia is icky.
2. I liked Doyle and am sad that he died.
3. Grown-up Connor was very, very annoying and on the whole, I'm glad he wasn't in S5.
4. The end of S2 was very strange.
5. The Jasmine arc is confusing.
6. I wish Cordy had been in S5. Her arc was nowhere near over, and the show needed more female characters.
7. Season 5 was very, very gay.
8. There's lots of Wes/Angel subtext in S3-5.
9. Wesley is very pretty.
10. Gunn/Gwen was a pretty cool 'ship.
Buffy: the Vampire Slayer
1. I wanted to like Kennedy. I was honestly prepared to make a good faith effort to like her. I hated her on sight.
2. S7 had some major flaws, man.
3. Riley was boring.
4. Dawn was an annoying twit at times. Then she got cool. And learned Sumerian, somehow.
5. Giles is double plus good.
6. I like Oz.
7. I like Angelus.
8. "Gift," "Restless," and "Once More, With Feeling" are frelling amazing works of art.
9. Wesley is annoying in S3 of Buffy. but on rewatching, Giles is a bastard to him.
10. The SFX is S1 leave something to be desired.
[spoilers through NFA]
Angel
1. I like Fred and think that, despite the fact that she was never the focal point even of her own arc, she was a well-crafted, interesting, beautiful character and I love her. A lot. So there.
2. I think Wes's feelings for Fred are at least half based on his own ideals about what love and romance should be, that they could probably never be happy together because both come with so much baggage and because their relationship is so tainted with so many issues, and that, despite that, there is a kernel of rightness in their relationship, of attraction and friendship and love and desire, that transcends all the horrible dren that's associated with their relationship. In other words, yes, shameless Wes/Fred shipper.
3. I didn't think I would ever like Angel/Cordelia, was vaguely squicked and confused by the idea of it, and will say endlessly and forever that they are Just Friends. Until S3. And then Joss sold me on their love hook, line, and sinker. I think their love for each other is far more mature than Angel's love for Buffy ever was, that they are a pair of friends who've made a life together, who have compatible personalities, and who love each other deeply. I think their mystical connection as Seer and Hero is beautiful (I think the same of Angel/Doyle, of course, and Giles/Buffy and various other pairings) and love the way it slowly bloomed into romance. I loved Offspring-Provider. Squeed my way through. Or, in other words, yes, shameless Angel/Cordy shipper too.
4. I think Gunn and Fred truly loved each other and were cute together. I'm not sad that their ship ended, because I don't think it ever really could have lasted, but in another time or another place, it could have. I'm sad that the 'ship was mishandled and treated just as a means to break Wesley, as was Fred's entire arc.
5. I think Cordelia was still controlling the body until "Spin the Bottle," when she started to act weirdly but wasn't quite sure why. I vaguely suspect it wasn't till she was impregnated that the post-hypnotic suggestion really started kicking in, but I think Cordelia was still aware of herself as a concious agent at least part of the time until around "Calvary." I quite like the idea, not mine, that a large part of pod!Cordy's personality comes from Cordelia's idea of what a villain should be rather than from Jasmine.
6. I dislike both the evil!Cordy arc and the Illyria arc, despite adoring evil characters, because both Cordy and Fred were robbed of their agency. The arcs revolve around the other characters reacting to the evil entities posessing the bodies, not the characters' own inner darkness or the way they deal with the evil within. I think the Cordy arc can be redeemed by retconning, but the Illyria arc was just a poor choice, despite showing off AA's acting ability.
7. I think Joss should have left incarnation theology well enough alone given that he's a practicing athiest, but I respect that it's his story to tell, and given his distrust of organized religion, the Jasmine-arc isn't all bad.
8. I like Fred better than Illyria. I like Illyria too, but think Its arc was poorly handled and a bad choice given the givens (they had to move all their plotlines up a notch after the cancellation.) I like Illyria in
ats_nolimits better than canon Illyria becasue she/It is incredibly intelligent and emotionally autistic, a character type I like quite a bit.9. I think Connor should have died at the end of S4 and that pulling their punch becasue they really liked VK and felt sory for the character was damned poor story-telling. Of course, had Connor actually died by Angel's hand, and mindwipe hadn't happened, S5 would be the darkest season ever. I don't really have a problem with that. I liked "Origin" a lot but wished Connor hadn't shown up in "Not Fade Away." I thought the ambiguity of "Origin" was good and that Connor in NFA didn't particularly serve a purpose.
10. I don't really care enough about Gunn to think that horrible things happened to his character at any point in canon.
11. I liked Lorne. Also Harmony.
12. They didn't die. They didn't survive. They're all still huddled in the alley, cold and wet and grieving Wesley, prepared to do the job they have to. World without end, in Joss's name, amen.
Buffy: the Vampire Slayer
1. S7 had some huge flaws in it, but I liked it anyhow.
2. S6 is one of my favorite seasons and I see no big flaws except of course the magic=crack one.
3. I don't give a damn about Spike except I miss the snark. I have absolutely no opinion on the attempted rape in "Seeing Red."
4. I like Tara an awful lot and while she might not be the most compelling character, she's beautiful and lovely and shy and so much like me that, despite knowing I shouldn't, I take it personally when people dislike her. Tara is the character who's most real to me because she is me. And I love her. While I can understand why people think the Willow/Tara relationship was poorly handled, I'm also a die-hard Willow/Tara shipper and I believe in their love. It might not have sizzled, but it was beautiful.
5. I thought Adam could've been interesting, but wasn't. (Probably not all that unpopular, except for the benefit of the doubt part.)
6. I think Xander/Anya was one of the best handled, most realistic relationships on the show. I don't think it was all about sex. I think that they, unlike 90% of the other characters, actually had a healthy attitude towards sex. Both of them enjoyed it and they had lots of it, but I don't think that was the sum of their relationship, and I don't think their arc was ended. Anya's death was a travesty. Killing someone because you need the approrpiate level of tragedy in your show's ending is not cool.
7. I loved the show a lot more before I got into fandom. But I can forgive the fen, because I'm learning a lot in fandom about how to think about media and art. Still, I miss being able to watch stuff uncritically. This is technically an opinion about fandom in general and not Buffy in particular but oh well.
8. I don't think I'm a particularly insensative or stupid person, but I didn't see Xander's treatment of Anya as abusive. I rather dread rewatching S6 for fear I'll see it and not love Xander anymore. I loved Xander so much when I first saw S6, far more than I loved Willow, and Willow is my emotional constant in the show.
9. I think Joyce was the First in "Convos."
10. I don't care whether or not Spike and Buffy had sex in "Chosen." I wanted to see more of the D+D.
General Jossverse:
1. I like Marti Noxon and Joss Whedon rather a lot. I like what I've seen of Joss Whedon's public persona. I think RPS/RPF isn't any less moral than saying that Marti Noxon a) is a whore b) needs therapy c) is emotionally unstable or that Joss Whedon a) has a deep-seated fear of women b) has issues with sex so large we need a book to explicate all of them or c) is a vicious sexist whose feminist persona is a big fat lie. We don't like personal attacks on fellow fans; why are they okay against TPTB? Especially since they wrote the frelling show for us. Also, I think Joss especially and the rest of the writers as well are artists.
2. Faith's entire arc moved too fast. I can understand it on further viewing and deep reflection, but on the shows, it moved too fast from bad girl to evil girl to redemption. Way too fast, way too much off-screen. That said, I think a Faith series could be good. And I'd watch, of course.
3. I'm a multi-shipper and proud. I like Wes/Lilah, Wes/Angel, and Wes/Fred, all for different reasons. And I like Willow/Oz, Willow/Tara, Willow/Giles, and Willow/Xander, all for very different reasons.
4. On a related note, I see everyone in Jossverse canon as bisexual, with a few possible exceptions that I can't think of at the moment.
5. I don't think Spike/Angel is all that interesting a pairing. I see the subtext, certainly, but it doesn't compel me the way other pairings do. I don't think that Spike's feelings for Angel (of love, hatred, envy, whatever) are as strong as many people seem to think. Angel has never been the center of Spike's universe: that was first Dru and then Buffy. They've certainly fucked at least once -- possibly several times -- but I don't think it was a defining relationship for either of them.
6. I think Angel is a more ambitious show that was occasionally brilliant and often a brilliant failure. Buffy was less ambitious and a more consistently solid show. And I enjoy watching Buffy more because it doesn't make me want to kill myself.
7. I would have preferred a full season of Firefly to S7 of Buffy, but only if they ran with the Kaylee/Inara subtext.
8. I wish they'd explored the ramifications of the mindwipe and of Dawn more articulately than they did, which might have redeemed both arcs in my mind.
9. I think the shows function better when there is a clear symbolic or metaphorical structure underlying the supernatural elements. This is because, oddly enough given what I do with most of my time, I'm not a genre person and don't especially enjoy sci-fi or fantasy. This is another reason I like Buffy as a show better: the demons are clearly articulated metaphors for the struggle of growing up. It's hokey, but it works, and it resonates with me on a level that demon pregnancy, evil law firms, and super secret circles of dark-colored plant barbs don't.
10. Cordelia and Angel aren't siblings. Cordelia and Wesley aren't siblings. Willow and Xander aren't siblings, and the word incest does not. Apply.
And just for kicks, twenty popular fannish opinions.
Angel
1. Connor/Cordelia is icky.
2. I liked Doyle and am sad that he died.
3. Grown-up Connor was very, very annoying and on the whole, I'm glad he wasn't in S5.
4. The end of S2 was very strange.
5. The Jasmine arc is confusing.
6. I wish Cordy had been in S5. Her arc was nowhere near over, and the show needed more female characters.
7. Season 5 was very, very gay.
8. There's lots of Wes/Angel subtext in S3-5.
9. Wesley is very pretty.
10. Gunn/Gwen was a pretty cool 'ship.
Buffy: the Vampire Slayer
1. I wanted to like Kennedy. I was honestly prepared to make a good faith effort to like her. I hated her on sight.
2. S7 had some major flaws, man.
3. Riley was boring.
4. Dawn was an annoying twit at times. Then she got cool. And learned Sumerian, somehow.
5. Giles is double plus good.
6. I like Oz.
7. I like Angelus.
8. "Gift," "Restless," and "Once More, With Feeling" are frelling amazing works of art.
9. Wesley is annoying in S3 of Buffy. but on rewatching, Giles is a bastard to him.
10. The SFX is S1 leave something to be desired.
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Date: 2005-02-03 05:27 am (UTC)I dislike the hate and stupidity and insults (and atrociously bad fanfic) in fandom but love the community of critical thinking. Yes, it has ruined me in some ways, but i tend to think that if something can’t stand up to a good critical eye than maybe i don’t wanna be watching it. (This is me being a bitch and clearly is not how everyone operates, and i wouldn’t require that everyone operate as i do -- much though i might like to.)
I wouldn't abandon fandom for the world, and this kind of critical thinking makes my brain so happy, since it's the kind of thing I've always loved but never really had a name for until suddenly there was fandom and lots of people thinking seriously about the same kinds of things. On some level, I think I want to be able to analyze the source as it's given and not have to pick it apart and say, "look, continuity errors," or "look, bad feminism," or "look, Marti has issues." But then of course the source is imperfect and we need to do something with those imperfections. But the thing is we tend to get so caught up in the imperfections, in saying this is why S7 is bad or this is what I didn't like about Illyria or whatever, that we lose sight of the original good thing that is fandom: analyzing the source material.
I agree with some of your Spuffy thoughts but after seeing all sides of the Spuffy issue hashed out endlessly, I'm beginning to feel my head spin. Hence the not caring.
There is lots of good stuff in S7.
And oh, word on Buffy transitioning to the real world. I identify with Buffy most in S6 than any other season and heck, I'm not even clinically depressed. (Probably.) Nor am I in or was I ever in an abusive relationship. But escape mechanisms? Hell yes. Like, oh say, fandom? (And there's a piece of meta that I do <3 verily.)
So yay, Elizabeth thoughts! (Can I call you Elizabeth? This whole LJ-community and naming thing is so odd to me.)
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Date: 2005-02-03 06:14 am (UTC)Oh, critical analysis to the point where one forgets what one loves the show, yes, i definitely agree that that's a bad thing.
I'm a big fan of Spuffy, but i can see the discussion being head-spinning and thus leading to not-caring and am not going to force you to engage in a thorough discussion with me since you're content to just leave me to my opinions.
I'm not sure if i ever particularly identify with Buffy, but a friend of mine was a senior in college that year and really identified and her talk has ever since colored how i look at S6. I think even without her, though, i would have appreciated the idea of Life/Adulthood As Enemy and other such themes (though i loathed her decision to work at DMP; asking for a monetary settlement sufficient to last until Dawn was out of college would have been the sensible thing to do -- though i suppose one could argue that she was having self-loathing issues and an actual job was the highest she could bring herself to aspire to, and of course there's the meta that they needed her to have a day job that ground her down to complement eveything else grinding her down).
Yes, please do call me Elizabeth. (Unless you come up with some witty nickname, of course :) ) I tend to call everyone by their "real" names unless told not to (or unless i don't know their non-LJ names). I understand people wanting to keep online/fannish identities separate from their other identities, but i'm not into making an active effort in that direction for a variety of reasons. And i'm rather attached to my given name, though i enjoy how my parents refer to me as Hermione when they comment on my LJ so that people know to whom they're referring.
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Date: 2005-02-03 06:27 am (UTC)Yes, you're entirely free to feel whatever you would like about Spuffy. I've read way too much meta on it, since it's a popular topic for meta, and have been told that:
-It was a horribly abusive relationship for both of them
-It was in fact a genuine romance
-Spike almost raped Buffy
-Buffy raped Spike
-Buffy's abuse of Spike was worse than Spike's of Buffy
-But of course anyone who believes that is in the habit of blaming the victim
-S7 should have dealt with it and then had them move on
-S7 they should have had sex, PCness be damned
-Spike was entirely to blame for the AR
-Spike wasn't at all to blame for the AR
-Buffy was to blame
-Or possibly Marti
-And also of course Joss, who's fault it all is.
-they were in a BDSM 'ship without a safeword and shit happens
-Their relationship had no BDSM elements whatsoever
Personally I think that Spike should have gone to Africa to get a soul, and they should have played it straight, no stupid gimmick that leaves us all confused three years later, and then fought all the battles and then gotten his soul and then -- nothing. He felt exactly the same, the same guilt, the same desires, the same. Because dammit, that's where they were headed and it would have been interesting.
When I saw that the S6 overview on the DVD was called "Life is the Big Bad" I was totally struck and that's how I see the season and it works so well for me.
I totally sympathize with Buffy's financial problems since I couldn't even get a summer job last summer, not even working at the real life equivalent of a DMP. Also like Buffy, I can't drive. And that's about where my identification with her begins and ends, but S6 I totally get her. Except that she's a bitch to Spike, but honestly, on watching it for the second time, I was less appalled by her behavior towards him.
Elizabeth it is, then. I suck at witty nicknames, and the only one I ever bestowed's recipient has been trying for four years to make me stop calling her "Ska."
You, by the way, may call me
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Date: 2005-02-04 02:26 am (UTC)I’ve read post-“Grave” fic wherein Spike is haunted by those he killed, a la Angel in “Amends.” The fact that soul-having doesn’t change anything in him (his early-S7 insanity was ambiguous about whether it was the result of having a soul or the influence of The First, and evidence leans toward the latter) says to me that those of us who thought Spike didn’t need a soul (oh, ye olde days of wondering whether Spike had somehow “grown” a soul) were right, which makes the writers’ decision that he did need a soul even worse. (I also find myself reminded of
I think i remember hearing about an interview in which Joss said that in S5 the Big Bad was Death and in S6 it was Life. (Meta like this is also one reason i like being involved in fandom -- i get to hear about behind-the-scenes stuff like actors leaving and forcing the writers to retool story arcs, and the directorial thinking behind certain things. And yes, now everyone has access via DVD commentary, but i liked hearing about it as it was happening, so it could inform my thoughts as i watched.)
I don’t drive, but not because of the anxiety/klutziness issues that Buffy has, just because i live in an area where a car isn’t a necessity and for most of my life my family didn’t have a car and i didn’t wanna pay lots of money to a driver’s ed program i’d heard was horrible. And i’ve been blessed to snag jobs i love and which i can come back to year after year. I've never had that dark transition, feeling alienated, etc., period like what Buffy had in S6.
And what is this about being surprised about discussion? You’re smart. You say smart things. Smart people read your LJ. Where’s the surprise?
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Date: 2005-02-04 01:11 pm (UTC)Hmm. Dunno. I'd say that there are some definate differences in his attitude towards Buffy in S7 that seem to be the result of the soul... and I think they didn't really touch very deeply on what the implications of said soul were, either in S7 or in S5. But it's never been the most interesting bit of the mythology to me, so I leave it in peace. Although I do think it wasn't the best choice ME could've made.
And what is this about being surprised about discussion? You’re smart. You say smart things. Smart people read your LJ.
Aww. :p