Not only a character, but the eponymous character. Which kinda makes me want Joss to kill her off. I really wanted a season 8 of BtVS without SMG--I think it would be an interesting dynamic to kill off the eponymous character and then continue with the same title.
I wanna say Wash (hello, happy marriage, and Zoe is far less dispensable -- plus, killing off your black woman? so not gonna fly), but i feel like he's Joss self-insertion (*cough*Xander*cough*) and thus wouldn't get killed off.
Also, killing Wash really opens up places for Zoe's character to go, while it seems to me that Wash's character would... change, but not be as affected as Zoe? Not change as much, I mean. *shrug*
But that's a good point about the self-insert. Then again, one has to wonder if this is more like AtS or BtVS... in BtVS, none of the core four got axed; in AtS... everyone did. *ponderponder* *waits for September*
Also, killing Wash really opens up places for Zoe's character to go, while it seems to me that Wash's character would... change, but not be as affected as Zoe? Not change as much, I mean. *shrug*
Excellent point. I madly love Wash -- he's my favorite character (with Book a strong second and everyone else crowding hot on his heels, oh hell I'm nuts about all of them) -- and it would devastate me to see him killed. But I agree that Zoe would be massively impacted by Wash's death. I think she needs him a lot more than either of them acknowledge or maybe even realize. Wash would be devastated by Zoe's death, yes, but I think the one that would knock Wash's world out from under him would be if Mal died.
And of course my picking the last option in the poll was purely wishful, because of course Joss is willing to kill off beloved main characters and that's why we adore him so. But... but... I don't want any of them to die!!!
So I come back to my original response: Noooooo!!!!
Oh come on, if you're counting NFA, that's only by implication for most of them.
And didn't we have that conversation when i visited about Firefly being so much more of an ensemble show than either of his two previous shows? I mean, besides Mal and possibly Zoe, who are you gonna count as core?
True, but I'm thinking more of AtS as a whole, where Doyle, Cordy, Fred, and Wesley all flat-out died (along with Lilah and Darla). AtS (like FF) doesn't really have a "core" per se, since it's been changing since the middle of S1. In that sense there really isn't a safe group like G/B/W/X (slashes intentional. :p ) were.
I think we also discussed how organizing the cast of FF in any meaningful way was really difficult? Yeah. I'm feeling that now.
Dude, how hot would that be? To watch Mal start all over in finding crew/passengers. Though that's really more of a series than a movie. Plus i'm not sure Joss could pull off an entirely different dynamic given constants of Mal&Serenity (captain, general situation, etc.).
I'd never thought of that option, but it's certainly a viable Jossian finale. (Though would it lose some of its power inverting as it does "Out of Gas"?)
(He wants to make a trilogy? Did i miss that interview, or is that just guesswork?)
He wants to make a trilogy? Did i miss that interview, or is that just guesswork?
I'm not sure. I seem to recall reading somewhere or maybe just kind of understanding that he wanted to make... more than one movie, at least? Maybe a trilogy. I think a lot of it depends on how well Serenity does, but I definitely got the impression that Joss was not averse to making this more than a one-shot.
I was browsing through my friends of friends list and I saw your poll. I voted before I even processed that I wasn't reading my flist - I hope you don't mind.
Yay Firefly for bringing people together since 2002!
Nope, I'm delighted that you voted! The more the merrier, as we all bite our fingernails in anticipation and fear and try to guess who'll get killed off...
I fear Book is the most expendable. Meep! Not sure if that's enough reason for Joss kill him off, but I'm having a lot of difficulty imagining him killing off anybody else... Unless he was feeling really evil, like "Not Fade Away" evil, in which case nobody is safe!
I don't know! I think Book is most expendable and thus probably won't get killed, because he lacks the fan-love, and thus his death wouldn't be high-impact enough. (Although I hate it when Joss kills someone because they're at the write level of belovedness *cough* Anya *cough* and not for dramatic reasons.
Hmm - well, I thought Anya's death was wonderfully dramatic and proved Joss's point about how much they had to give up for that win. But then also, I adore Book, and I adore that he's in the show, (I can't remember which episode it is, but River crit-ing the Bible!! For that scene alone I would have loved this show.)
I agree with previous posters that there's no option for "This poll makes me cry", because the only person I could stand seeing killed off is Jayne, and I bet that ain't going to happen.
Re: Anya... I don't know. Her death felt very calculated to me. Like Joss was thinking "Can't kill the core four... can't kill Dawn, that would hurt Buffy too much... can't kill Kennedy 'cos we did that last year with Tara... Anya it is." Which doesn't feel like an honest resolution to Anya's arc... it may work on an episode level (like you said, the price of the battle), but in the context of the entire series it feels like Anya got short-changed. *shrug* ymmv.
(Also I was upset that Spike and Anya both died and Spike got a MUCH better death scene and then it was a fake-out anyhow! Anya's death just sort of paled in comparison to Spike's, which also didn't feel that fair to her character.)
I'll have to come back to debate this one with you later. *g* I appear to have lost the claim card for my latest Trebizon book which is waiting for me at the post office, so I'll have to see if they'll give it to me is I show them my drivers licence... argh!!!!!!
I fear Book can't be killed off, since absolutely none of the exposition Joss has planned for Book has been actually given to us. There are too many unanswered questions to kill him off at this stage of the game.
Which means someone I like better than Book might die. Not saying whom I fear (although I think one could guess), because than I know Joss will kill hir.
There is no option for "Joss always kills off whomever I like best, so I have to not even think about it." Or, "He'll probably keep them all alive for the sequel, but it's not for lack of wanting to kill someone off." Or, "I have promised myself that I will banish all thoughts of Serenity until I finish my Shakespeare paper."
And there's no option for "They can all come back anyway! Look at AtS and BtVS". *g*
Actually, even though I chose Simon (because his death would have a major impact on everyone, especially River), I have a feeling that if it was anyone, it would probably be Inara. But Mal really doesn't need that kind of angst. And we still need more background info on Inara, and I think the rest of the cast would kill Joss if he killed anyone off.
But there is that thing they mentioned in a couple of commentaries. Y'know, that thing no-one really knows about because there's not enought plot yet, and it seems to me she's dying or whatnot? Anyway, her big secret could be potential killing-off-ness.
Hey! You stole my thoughts! (Well, okay, mine were more Farscape and meta...must discuss...phone call?)
At the moment, I kinda think that Zoe's the right character type, but given that she didn't have time to get particularly close to everyone...maybe Kaylee?
I would be surprised if it were Mal. Well, if Mal dies, I expect him to die at the end. Ditto River.
Book's the character really lacking in exposition (Inara is as well, but not nearly as badly). If he doesn't die in the first five minutes (unlikely, but possible), he'll probably make it at least half-way through.
I kinda feel that Jayne'll be left standing at the end, but wouldn't be stunned if he weren't.
And I don't expect a mass slaughter a la "Not Fade Away"...not enough time for a really decent set up...well, okay, given NFA...but I don't expect more than half the characters to die, probably falling somewhere between "Chosen" and "Not Fade Away". If Joss lets us go without killing at least one or two of them, I'll be shocked. And probably walk out of the theater still waiting for the falling footwear.
It just occurred to me if we're all this sure that somebody's going to die, then there is a decent choice nobody will. Of course, if we start second-guessing Joss second-guessing us like that, very quickly we fall into danger of infinite regress.
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Date: 2005-04-29 06:30 pm (UTC)She's a character too!!!
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Date: 2005-04-29 06:33 pm (UTC)And your last ticky box made me giggle :)
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Date: 2005-04-29 06:38 pm (UTC)But that's a good point about the self-insert. Then again, one has to wonder if this is more like AtS or BtVS... in BtVS, none of the core four got axed; in AtS... everyone did. *ponderponder* *waits for September*
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Date: 2005-04-29 08:56 pm (UTC)Excellent point. I madly love Wash -- he's my favorite character (with Book a strong second and everyone else crowding hot on his heels, oh hell I'm nuts about all of them) -- and it would devastate me to see him killed. But I agree that Zoe would be massively impacted by Wash's death. I think she needs him a lot more than either of them acknowledge or maybe even realize. Wash would be devastated by Zoe's death, yes, but I think the one that would knock Wash's world out from under him would be if Mal died.
And of course my picking the last option in the poll was purely wishful, because of course Joss is willing to kill off beloved main characters and that's why we adore him so. But... but... I don't want any of them to die!!!
So I come back to my original response: Noooooo!!!!
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Date: 2005-04-29 09:11 pm (UTC)And didn't we have that conversation when i visited about Firefly being so much more of an ensemble show than either of his two previous shows? I mean, besides Mal and possibly Zoe, who are you gonna count as core?
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Date: 2005-04-29 10:52 pm (UTC)I think we also discussed how organizing the cast of FF in any meaningful way was really difficult? Yeah. I'm feeling that now.
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Date: 2005-04-29 06:40 pm (UTC)*wails*
*whimpers*
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Date: 2005-04-29 06:45 pm (UTC)He'll probably kill them all. ;)
but he didn't kill Lorneycakes... ;)
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Date: 2005-04-29 06:48 pm (UTC)but if he wants to make a trilogy, he'll need at least one or two characters left standing!
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Date: 2005-04-29 09:16 pm (UTC)I'd never thought of that option, but it's certainly a viable Jossian finale. (Though would it lose some of its power inverting as it does "Out of Gas"?)
(He wants to make a trilogy? Did i miss that interview, or is that just guesswork?)
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Date: 2005-04-29 10:54 pm (UTC)I'm not sure. I seem to recall reading somewhere or maybe just kind of understanding that he wanted to make... more than one movie, at least? Maybe a trilogy. I think a lot of it depends on how well Serenity does, but I definitely got the impression that Joss was not averse to making this more than a one-shot.
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Date: 2005-04-29 07:19 pm (UTC)Yay Firefly for bringing people together since 2002!
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Date: 2005-04-29 11:41 pm (UTC)I agree with previous posters that there's no option for "This poll makes me cry", because the only person I could stand seeing killed off is Jayne, and I bet that ain't going to happen.
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Date: 2005-04-29 11:53 pm (UTC)Re: Anya... I don't know. Her death felt very calculated to me. Like Joss was thinking "Can't kill the core four... can't kill Dawn, that would hurt Buffy too much... can't kill Kennedy 'cos we did that last year with Tara... Anya it is." Which doesn't feel like an honest resolution to Anya's arc... it may work on an episode level (like you said, the price of the battle), but in the context of the entire series it feels like Anya got short-changed. *shrug* ymmv.
(Also I was upset that Spike and Anya both died and Spike got a MUCH better death scene and then it was a fake-out anyhow! Anya's death just sort of paled in comparison to Spike's, which also didn't feel that fair to her character.)
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Date: 2005-04-29 08:09 pm (UTC)Which means someone I like better than Book might die. Not saying whom I fear (although I think one could guess), because than I know Joss will kill hir.
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Date: 2005-04-29 08:48 pm (UTC)(Well, actually it's a project, not a paper, but no one cares about that.)
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Date: 2005-04-29 09:37 pm (UTC)Actually, even though I chose Simon (because his death would have a major impact on everyone, especially River), I have a feeling that if it was anyone, it would probably be Inara. But Mal really doesn't need that kind of angst. And we still need more background info on Inara, and I think the rest of the cast would kill Joss if he killed anyone off.
But there is that thing they mentioned in a couple of commentaries. Y'know, that thing no-one really knows about because there's not enought plot yet, and it seems to me she's dying or whatnot? Anyway, her big secret could be potential killing-off-ness.
Still, nobody should die! *clings*
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Date: 2005-04-29 09:57 pm (UTC)At the moment, I kinda think that Zoe's the right character type, but given that she didn't have time to get particularly close to everyone...maybe Kaylee?
I would be surprised if it were Mal. Well, if Mal dies, I expect him to die at the end. Ditto River.
Book's the character really lacking in exposition (Inara is as well, but not nearly as badly). If he doesn't die in the first five minutes (unlikely, but possible), he'll probably make it at least half-way through.
I kinda feel that Jayne'll be left standing at the end, but wouldn't be stunned if he weren't.
And I don't expect a mass slaughter a la "Not Fade Away"...not enough time for a really decent set up...well, okay, given NFA...but I don't expect more than half the characters to die, probably falling somewhere between "Chosen" and "Not Fade Away". If Joss lets us go without killing at least one or two of them, I'll be shocked. And probably walk out of the theater still waiting for the falling footwear.
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Date: 2005-04-29 10:55 pm (UTC)Ditto. And I'm really doubting the Mal-dying thing.
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