as is Groo's convenient return at just the wrong time.
I'm willing to buy that Groo returning just then was a Jasmine push, absolutely. On to the sex, I would say, well, she was in a relationship, she wanted to get laid ...
I wonder about Cordy's visions as well, but I really want to analyze the whole idea of visions in the Jossverse more fully and look at Slayer dreams, Doyle/Cordy, and Dru as examples. I'm operating on the tentative hypothesis that the visions aren't really sent per se but that certain people are in tune with the future, with a tendancy towards picking up on serious supernatural stuff that's going on. Perhaps the Powers (as well as Jasmine and W+H) are capable of using that capacity to their own end. And, of course, manipulating visions.
I think Dru's abilities come off as more sensitivity and feeling, like Cassie's than the painful experience of the visions. The pain makes me think of a message, along with Lorne's way of talking about the visions in That Vision Thing in s3.
But it's another ambiguity, yay! :)
I wonder if Cordy didn't sense Connor's kidnapping since she was out of town? Maybe there's something about physical proximity.
But Doyle sensed Buffy being in danger in Sunnydale all the way from Los Angeles, so I think it's not physical proximity so much as Jasmine clamping down. Or the powers not informing Cordelia since they didn't want it stopped?
My other s3 thing, randomly, is that I think the prophecy Angel would kill Connor came completely true, even the cranky hamburger's version of it - Angel did kill Connor. It just wasn't permanent death. Heh.
but I do think Jasmine wanted Wesley out of the picture and did her best to make that happen. I hardly think the Lilah-specific bits were all her though. (Random sidenote: it's from the Weslah 'shippers [among others] that we get the whole "Angel/Cordy was totally made up by Jasmine!" thing when it's more canon that the whole Wes/Lilah thing was made up b Jasmine.)
I think Skip way overstates the power Jasmine had before taking human form. She could push things, she must have had the power to protect Connor or put in motion the powers that were doing so, but. I doubt she got Lilah to fall on Wesley's dick, to put it bluntly.
I love Wes/Lilah a lot, but I do think Angel and Cordelia were pushed together by forces that weren't them along with being attracted to each other.
And I think Jasmine wanted Angelus running free, making trouble under her direction to distract AI - fear of Wesley and Fred and all of them - and then to abet her rise before she offed him. This is my theory this week.
And you know, Jasmine arc confusing, sure, but I just adore it so much. I lie back and drink it in. Add in that I heart heart crazy prone to failure and bad immoral choices Connor, s4 is my favorite.
I do tend to think Joss says in commentaries = canon, but then another writer in commentary says all of s4 happens in the space of 3 weeks and that just doesn't work with the Buffy x-overs so I choose to ignore it sometimes, clearly. It's canon when it's not wrong. Heh. :)
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I'm willing to buy that Groo returning just then was a Jasmine push, absolutely. On to the sex, I would say, well, she was in a relationship, she wanted to get laid ...
I wonder about Cordy's visions as well, but I really want to analyze the whole idea of visions in the Jossverse more fully and look at Slayer dreams, Doyle/Cordy, and Dru as examples. I'm operating on the tentative hypothesis that the visions aren't really sent per se but that certain people are in tune with the future, with a tendancy towards picking up on serious supernatural stuff that's going on. Perhaps the Powers (as well as Jasmine and W+H) are capable of using that capacity to their own end. And, of course, manipulating visions.
I think Dru's abilities come off as more sensitivity and feeling, like Cassie's than the painful experience of the visions. The pain makes me think of a message, along with Lorne's way of talking about the visions in That Vision Thing in s3.
But it's another ambiguity, yay! :)
I wonder if Cordy didn't sense Connor's kidnapping since she was out of town? Maybe there's something about physical proximity.
But Doyle sensed Buffy being in danger in Sunnydale all the way from Los Angeles, so I think it's not physical proximity so much as Jasmine clamping down. Or the powers not informing Cordelia since they didn't want it stopped?
My other s3 thing, randomly, is that I think the prophecy Angel would kill Connor came completely true, even the cranky hamburger's version of it - Angel did kill Connor. It just wasn't permanent death. Heh.
but I do think Jasmine wanted Wesley out of the picture and did her best to make that happen. I hardly think the Lilah-specific bits were all her though. (Random sidenote: it's from the Weslah 'shippers [among others] that we get the whole "Angel/Cordy was totally made up by Jasmine!" thing when it's more canon that the whole Wes/Lilah thing was made up b Jasmine.)
I think Skip way overstates the power Jasmine had before taking human form. She could push things, she must have had the power to protect Connor or put in motion the powers that were doing so, but. I doubt she got Lilah to fall on Wesley's dick, to put it bluntly.
I love Wes/Lilah a lot, but I do think Angel and Cordelia were pushed together by forces that weren't them along with being attracted to each other.
And I think Jasmine wanted Angelus running free, making trouble under her direction to distract AI - fear of Wesley and Fred and all of them - and then to abet her rise before she offed him. This is my theory this week.
And you know, Jasmine arc confusing, sure, but I just adore it so much. I lie back and drink it in. Add in that I heart heart crazy prone to failure and bad immoral choices Connor, s4 is my favorite.
I do tend to think Joss says in commentaries = canon, but then another writer in commentary says all of s4 happens in the space of 3 weeks and that just doesn't work with the Buffy x-overs so I choose to ignore it sometimes, clearly. It's canon when it's not wrong. Heh. :)