What did you think of the 'shippy bits at the end of "You're Welcome"?
Loved. One of my pet peeves about s5 after Cordelia's death is the lack of mourning for Cordelia. Esp in contrast to the mourning for Fred, but. I really like Fred so I try not to dwell.
I'm reviewing Cordelia's actions and goals in late S3 and pretty much getting this:
-she must SLEEP WITH GROO at all costs and -ANGEL ANGEL ANGEL
Those are pretty strong impulses, right there, and I suppose one must wonder where exactly they're coming from. When you pointed out her refusal to go see Wes, that got me thinking... I think having Wesley away from them for the summer is definately advantageous for Jasmine, as is having Cordelia away from the team while Connor goes to Quartoth... still pondering how Sahjean fits into anything. But you've definately given me something to think about!
I think Groo-bits were Cordelia. He thinks she's a princess, he's hot and he's devoted to her. But the Angel stuff I think is a hyping of her natural feelings, intensifying them. I sometimes wonder if Jasmine was manipulating Cordelia's visions as well. Not all along, but from birthday on. Thus, nothing about Connor getting kidnapped.
I tend to think that Jasmine had to do a lot of planning on the fly - no matter what Skip says (hello, unreliable narrator!), there were always snags. And she was working through Cordelia and other small pushes she could make, you know?
In re: Wesley, Skip does point to Wesley and Lilah's romance as something Jasmine 'pushed along' which means Wesley had a part to play.
But I tend to think Sahjahn is a separate thing. Another player that Jasmine is manuevering around. To return to the boat analogy, once the plan comes to Jasmine, the shape of it presents opportunities to everyone?
As to poor podCordy - it's hard to say exactly what Jasmine exact plan was since it all got so cocked up. Maybe she wanted permanent midnight and Angelus and the Beast so her rising would be a deliverance? She and Connor and the remaining AI gang kill all the beasties and demons who are all in one place and that gives her even more strength to take everyone and a heroine angle. Could have been her plan, though that would have implied she intended to kill Angelus. But clearly, she was right to be afraid of Angel.
One of the things I do like about a closed canon, as much as I hate that Angel and Buffy are no more, is that we get to speculate as much as we want!
Oh, and in the commentary for Spin the Bottle, Joss Whedon comments that the reason Cordelia is blurry as she runs away is that it's the last time we see the real Cordelia. She's gone, there - which is his POV. I think the show allows more ambiguity.
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Loved. One of my pet peeves about s5 after Cordelia's death is the lack of mourning for Cordelia. Esp in contrast to the mourning for Fred, but. I really like Fred so I try not to dwell.
I'm reviewing Cordelia's actions and goals in late S3 and pretty much getting this:
-she must SLEEP WITH GROO at all costs and
-ANGEL ANGEL ANGEL
Those are pretty strong impulses, right there, and I suppose one must wonder where exactly they're coming from. When you pointed out her refusal to go see Wes, that got me thinking... I think having Wesley away from them for the summer is definately advantageous for Jasmine, as is having Cordelia away from the team while Connor goes to Quartoth... still pondering how Sahjean fits into anything. But you've definately given me something to think about!
I think Groo-bits were Cordelia. He thinks she's a princess, he's hot and he's devoted to her. But the Angel stuff I think is a hyping of her natural feelings, intensifying them. I sometimes wonder if Jasmine was manipulating Cordelia's visions as well. Not all along, but from birthday on. Thus, nothing about Connor getting kidnapped.
I tend to think that Jasmine had to do a lot of planning on the fly - no matter what Skip says (hello, unreliable narrator!), there were always snags. And she was working through Cordelia and other small pushes she could make, you know?
In re: Wesley, Skip does point to Wesley and Lilah's romance as something Jasmine 'pushed along' which means Wesley had a part to play.
But I tend to think Sahjahn is a separate thing. Another player that Jasmine is manuevering around. To return to the boat analogy, once the plan comes to Jasmine, the shape of it presents opportunities to everyone?
As to poor podCordy - it's hard to say exactly what Jasmine exact plan was since it all got so cocked up. Maybe she wanted permanent midnight and Angelus and the Beast so her rising would be a deliverance? She and Connor and the remaining AI gang kill all the beasties and demons who are all in one place and that gives her even more strength to take everyone and a heroine angle. Could have been her plan, though that would have implied she intended to kill Angelus. But clearly, she was right to be afraid of Angel.
One of the things I do like about a closed canon, as much as I hate that Angel and Buffy are no more, is that we get to speculate as much as we want!
Oh, and in the commentary for Spin the Bottle, Joss Whedon comments that the reason Cordelia is blurry as she runs away is that it's the last time we see the real Cordelia. She's gone, there - which is his POV. I think the show allows more ambiguity.