the idea that there are shades of opinion and that we're all thoughtful people who can still disagree.
Oh, totally. As strong as I feel about certain things, I still love reading other people's take because it's illuminating. I've been brought around to liking things I was neutral about by reading other people's views of them. Plus, since I *liked* s6 and s7 of Buffy, if I only read people who agreed with me, I'd have three posts a week to read!
I had my own issues with "Waiting in the Wings," mostly because I don't like the idea of them having sex or being sexual only because of the mystical influence, but I see your point. I would tend to interpret most of what they say during that episode as resulting from their extreme embarassment at being forced to do things they wouldn't normally do, especially if they're both struggling with their feelings for each other.
I can see that in the later parts, but Cordelia and Fred are talking even before that. It's a frustrating episode on many levels because it's a retread and BtVS s2 version was so amazing. Add in how off Cordelia feels to me in parts, sigh, it's frustrating.
I can see Cordelia and Angel falling for each other, I just feel like it didn't work on the show.
I totally go back and forth on the issue of when the posession started, but I tend to want to set it as late as possible: personal bias, not really sure why. Some people put it as early as "Birthday," which I don't agree with at all. My first time through, I definately thought the end of "Spin the Bottle" was the turning point, but on further reflection, I wonder if it wasn't the conception.
It's darned ambiguous! I tend to think that with Birthday, there were already suggestions and pushes. Like a boat that Cordelia was definitely rowing but there were some very strong ripples. But again, for me, that's personal bias as there a couple of places where Cordelia's actions just seem so off to me. I can not believe she wouldn't see Wesley, even just to tell him he had done wrong. When Jasmine takes over the boat - I can totally see your point that it might have been the conception.
Certainly, Cordy's dream about the pod people movie in the beginning of the ep after Spin The Bottle makes it clear *something* was starting.
Have you heard the commentary for Spin The Bottle?
While ascended, something physical might've been to Cordelia to prime her for Jasmine's conception, but the big thing was some sort of hypnosis, with the main point being "SLEEP WITH CONNOR" imprinted in big, mystical letters on Cordelia's subconscious.
Dude, yes. I really like the theory I read in selenak's lj reviews of s4 that Cordelia was never 'ascended' but instead in some sort of Jasmine land - thus Cordelia's lack of power and her complete boredom. And when Cordelia started to realize she could do something, Jasmine shoved her right back. Plus, more time to get Jasmine all the way in? Maybe.
And seriously, s6 is my second favorite season of Buffy. I feel a little more isolated not hating s7 which seems the default position of many.
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Oh, totally. As strong as I feel about certain things, I still love reading other people's take because it's illuminating. I've been brought around to liking things I was neutral about by reading other people's views of them. Plus, since I *liked* s6 and s7 of Buffy, if I only read people who agreed with me, I'd have three posts a week to read!
I had my own issues with "Waiting in the Wings," mostly because I don't like the idea of them having sex or being sexual only because of the mystical influence, but I see your point. I would tend to interpret most of what they say during that episode as resulting from their extreme embarassment at being forced to do things they wouldn't normally do, especially if they're both struggling with their feelings for each other.
I can see that in the later parts, but Cordelia and Fred are talking even before that. It's a frustrating episode on many levels because it's a retread and BtVS s2 version was so amazing. Add in how off Cordelia feels to me in parts, sigh, it's frustrating.
I can see Cordelia and Angel falling for each other, I just feel like it didn't work on the show.
I totally go back and forth on the issue of when the posession started, but I tend to want to set it as late as possible: personal bias, not really sure why. Some people put it as early as "Birthday," which I don't agree with at all. My first time through, I definately thought the end of "Spin the Bottle" was the turning point, but on further reflection, I wonder if it wasn't the conception.
It's darned ambiguous! I tend to think that with Birthday, there were already suggestions and pushes. Like a boat that Cordelia was definitely rowing but there were some very strong ripples. But again, for me, that's personal bias as there a couple of places where Cordelia's actions just seem so off to me. I can not believe she wouldn't see Wesley, even just to tell him he had done wrong. When Jasmine takes over the boat - I can totally see your point that it might have been the conception.
Certainly, Cordy's dream about the pod people movie in the beginning of the ep after Spin The Bottle makes it clear *something* was starting.
Have you heard the commentary for Spin The Bottle?
While ascended, something physical might've been to Cordelia to prime her for Jasmine's conception, but the big thing was some sort of hypnosis, with the main point being "SLEEP WITH CONNOR" imprinted in big, mystical letters on Cordelia's subconscious.
Dude, yes. I really like the theory I read in
And seriously, s6 is my second favorite season of Buffy. I feel a little more isolated not hating s7 which seems the default position of many.