(Have also friended you, after two fascinating entries in the space of a week or so!)
Eep! I'm flattered, but I can't promise to always be this fascinating; usually I'm all, "Tired. Bored. School sucks. Me sleep now. Ooh, shiny." But I'm glad you enjoyed this entry. :)
Just when I've shot my mouth off and am feeling all "blehmehyuck" I read something like this and remember there really are shades and different ways to look at it.
Ohh, yay! See, that's what I love best about this meme: not the snarking and the "you all suck and ONLY I AM RIGHT" but the idea that there are shades of opinion and that we're all thoughtful people who can still disagree.
I think I bail on the ship, in a sense, in Waiting In The Wings because of the scene with Fred and Cordelia where Cordelia is downplaying Angel's possible attraction because Cordelia isn't good enough for him. "The world's champion wants me? Ha," which seems so unlike Cordelia. In Birthday she's so confident her astral self is an exact copy of herself, she's always been the girl who acts as she thinks and suddenly she feels inferior to Angel? It struck a bad note with me.
Huh, interesting. I had my own issues with "Waiting in the Wings," mostly because I don't like the idea of them having sex or being sexual only because of the mystical influence, but I see your point. I would tend to interpret most of what they say during that episode as resulting from their extreme embarassment at being forced to do things they wouldn't normally do, especially if they're both struggling with their feelings for each other.
I really like your theory about Cordelia in s4 - the idea that she was driving longer than may have been assumed. After all, Jasmine wasn't physically there until the conception, maybe that was what needed for full control to happen.
I totally go back and forth on the issue of when the posession started, but I tend to want to set it as late as possible: personal bias, not really sure why. Some people put it as early as "Birthday," which I don't agree with at all. My first time through, I definately thought the end of "Spin the Bottle" was the turning point, but on further reflection, I wonder if it wasn't the conception.
Though I want to blame the Jasmine influence for her offer of sex to Connor, period, since he seems so far from her type. OTOH, close quarters and trust built up.
Heh, me too, because, as I said above, icky. :p But here's how my thinking goes:
While ascended, something physical might've been to Cordelia to prime her for Jasmine's conception, but the big thing was some sort of hypnosis, with the main point being "SLEEP WITH CONNOR" imprinted in big, mystical letters on Cordelia's subconscious.
So her choice to sleep with Connor was absolutely Jasmine's fault, but her own justification for it -- it's the end of the world, she wants him to experience some pleasure, whatever -- makes sense in her own head. So there are two reasons: her given reason, which makes a certain amount of sex [edit: sense! Talk about a Fruedian slip!] but doesn't really account for it, and then the real reason, which is the post-hypnotic suggestion.
And I'm sooooooo sooooooooo with you on unpopular opinions of BtVS 1 and 2. Nearly word for word.
I'm glad, especially about opinion 1, which I feel really strongly about. I'm glad I'm not along!
Welcome to the flist! Hope I can help you procrastinate. :)
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Date: 2005-02-04 01:15 am (UTC)Eep! I'm flattered, but I can't promise to always be this fascinating; usually I'm all, "Tired. Bored. School sucks. Me sleep now. Ooh, shiny." But I'm glad you enjoyed this entry. :)
Just when I've shot my mouth off and am feeling all "blehmehyuck" I read something like this and remember there really are shades and different ways to look at it.
Ohh, yay! See, that's what I love best about this meme: not the snarking and the "you all suck and ONLY I AM RIGHT" but the idea that there are shades of opinion and that we're all thoughtful people who can still disagree.
I think I bail on the ship, in a sense, in Waiting In The Wings because of the scene with Fred and Cordelia where Cordelia is downplaying Angel's possible attraction because Cordelia isn't good enough for him. "The world's champion wants me? Ha," which seems so unlike Cordelia. In Birthday she's so confident her astral self is an exact copy of herself, she's always been the girl who acts as she thinks and suddenly she feels inferior to Angel? It struck a bad note with me.
Huh, interesting. I had my own issues with "Waiting in the Wings," mostly because I don't like the idea of them having sex or being sexual only because of the mystical influence, but I see your point. I would tend to interpret most of what they say during that episode as resulting from their extreme embarassment at being forced to do things they wouldn't normally do, especially if they're both struggling with their feelings for each other.
I really like your theory about Cordelia in s4 - the idea that she was driving longer than may have been assumed. After all, Jasmine wasn't physically there until the conception, maybe that was what needed for full control to happen.
I totally go back and forth on the issue of when the posession started, but I tend to want to set it as late as possible: personal bias, not really sure why. Some people put it as early as "Birthday," which I don't agree with at all. My first time through, I definately thought the end of "Spin the Bottle" was the turning point, but on further reflection, I wonder if it wasn't the conception.
Though I want to blame the Jasmine influence for her offer of sex to Connor, period, since he seems so far from her type. OTOH, close quarters and trust built up.
Heh, me too, because, as I said above, icky. :p But here's how my thinking goes:
While ascended, something physical might've been to Cordelia to prime her for Jasmine's conception, but the big thing was some sort of hypnosis, with the main point being "SLEEP WITH CONNOR" imprinted in big, mystical letters on Cordelia's subconscious.
So her choice to sleep with Connor was absolutely Jasmine's fault, but her own justification for it -- it's the end of the world, she wants him to experience some pleasure, whatever -- makes sense in her own head. So there are two reasons: her given reason, which makes a certain amount of sex [edit: sense! Talk about a Fruedian slip!] but doesn't really account for it, and then the real reason, which is the post-hypnotic suggestion.
And I'm sooooooo sooooooooo with you on unpopular opinions of BtVS 1 and 2. Nearly word for word.
I'm glad, especially about opinion 1, which I feel really strongly about. I'm glad I'm not along!
Welcome to the flist! Hope I can help you procrastinate. :)