Heh -- I think I've just realized that fandom made me love Fred almost as a defense mechanism. I mean, sure, she did some things that piss me off (specifically her failure to stand up for Wesley in S3), but I sure don't think she deserves the fanhate she gets.
It's a 'ship I only like if they never get together. I like the sexual tension, you know?
I'm beginning to think I've got more than one of that kind of pairing. But I'm not sure I could name them off the top of my head.
I agree that Simon/Kaylee has that element of idealization, although I think it's mutual-- Simon starts seeing Kaylee as sophisticated and unattainable, or assumes she must be because she's into him. The other place I *really* see the dynamic is Angel/Cordy, where it seems like they fall in love because everyone is telling them they ought to.
Huh. I've only seen Firefly once, so I don't know if I could really say for sure, and I don't really get Simon (except insofar as he loves River). And I don't so much see that in Angel/Cordy, but then again, I'm odd.
They usually function as secondary 'ships in canon, contrasting the idealized, sexually tense ones, come to think of it.
I love secondary 'ships too, and all of those you mentioned are hardcore OTPs for me. Another example is Chiana/D'Argo in Farscape. I like them because they seem real to me, far realer than the great romances, of which Buffy/Angel is the obvious example.
Then, sometimes I like the great romances too. Ah, I don't understand myself.
But definately going to muse more on the idealization of love objects in the Whedonverse. :)
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Date: 2005-02-03 05:17 am (UTC)It's a 'ship I only like if they never get together. I like the sexual tension, you know?
I'm beginning to think I've got more than one of that kind of pairing. But I'm not sure I could name them off the top of my head.
I agree that Simon/Kaylee has that element of idealization, although I think it's mutual-- Simon starts seeing Kaylee as sophisticated and unattainable, or assumes she must be because she's into him. The other place I *really* see the dynamic is Angel/Cordy, where it seems like they fall in love because everyone is telling them they ought to.
Huh. I've only seen Firefly once, so I don't know if I could really say for sure, and I don't really get Simon (except insofar as he loves River). And I don't so much see that in Angel/Cordy, but then again, I'm odd.
They usually function as secondary 'ships in canon, contrasting the idealized, sexually tense ones, come to think of it.
I love secondary 'ships too, and all of those you mentioned are hardcore OTPs for me. Another example is Chiana/D'Argo in Farscape. I like them because they seem real to me, far realer than the great romances, of which Buffy/Angel is the obvious example.
Then, sometimes I like the great romances too. Ah, I don't understand myself.
But definately going to muse more on the idealization of love objects in the Whedonverse. :)